Union with the Uncreated – healing from Thought and Separation

This is a very interesting dialogue between Michael. K. Marsh and me.

We must get away from the idea that death is God’s punishment. Death is a consequence of being created. The created as opposed to the un-created has a beginning and an end.

The healing of this condition is union with the uncreated. We do not have life in and of ourselves. To turn away from the work of union with the divine/uncreated is sin. Thus the wages of sin is death.

I think this fits with scripture and tradition about the two ways: life and death. Both are always before us.

I think there is a fear of death in human beings. It is a driver in our lives, the choices we make, the priorities we establish. The problem is we often deal with that fear through substitute gratifications. We settle for relief rather than healing.

The degree to which we are afraid of death is also the degree to which we are afraid to truly live.

The paradox is that to live we must die. I think it is the Sufis who say, “Die before you die.” I think this is what Jesus was getting at when he said, “Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me.” It is the invitation to life, through union/thesis.

Living becomes an interior transformation which leaves us in the present moment. The present is the fullness of life, it is where the divine is located, it can become eternal. Too often we live in the past – “If only…,” regrets, wounds, resentment – or in a future we do not yet have. Both of those it seems to me are places of death.

God’s deepest longing is that we would live and live fully. St. Irenaeus said something like, “The glory of God is a many fully alive.”
I wonder sometimes if we have forgotten or confused what it is to be fully alive. I think there were be profound freedom in this – not autonomy to choose to do what every I want – but freedom to be, to be real, authentic, true – and in so doing to discover and know my own holiness and the original beauty of my creation. When we can see this in ourselves then we can see it in others.

I have to tell you that you have such a poignant and winsome way of writing. I feel the Silence, and the echo of your deep insights between your words.

There is both elegance but unsophisticated humbleness in your wording.

Yes, this is perfectly put:

Healing is Union with the Uncreated.

What is created is mostly under the supremacy of Fear. Hence, most people settle for relief, as, to reach Union you have to go through the hell of Separation, which means wrestling with Fear – an inhuman undertaking. Few – if any – have the courage to directly confront this daunting demon – as fear is a demon after all – take the battle, and not flee.

I love the way you put it:

“Too often we live in the past – `If only´…,”regrets, wounds, resentment – or in a future we do not yet have. Both of those it seems to me are places of death.”

Presence is well guarded by Fear.To come out alive from these places of Death requires great boldness and determination. To die before you die is the greatest challenge for anyone – that is, to give up the false ego. The ego is the outcome of Time, of Thought…indeed the “me” identity which is so treacherously opposed to God…- to who we really are…

I have these days won incredible battles. And these battles have taken place on these invisible levels – which are incredibly “real”. In fact, more real than the “real”. To give up the thought-made identity…I tell you… – it is not less than a heroic act of courage as I come to understand that Thought is the total antinomy of Life…Thought is the greatest barrier to know God, in fact, ultimately speaking, I see thinking as the worst disease invented by man, in order to defend himself from Life.

Thought, which is psychological Time, keeps us away from the Divine.

Thought can never be free. As long as we reinforce thinking, we choose thus to be unfree.

If we are to be real, authentic, true – and thus to discover and know our own holiness and the original beauty of creation, we have to give up “mine” – that is, the false “I-identity” which is built on thought! Thought is “my will” as radically opposed to the will of the Creator.

Thought breeds and perpetrates Separation. 

First when we are relieved from the curse of thinking, can we see the purity in ourselves as well as in others.


About julienmatei
I feel an inner urge to express what I see, to communicate and share with others all these impressions. Often the things I see are there, not yet manifest, but waiting... to be observed, talked about, and embraced. These new insights need another approach, a more vivid curiosity... Due to fear and prejudice we prefer to see only "the official" truth - but THE OFFICIAL TRUTH IS DEAD - being dead, it has nothing to give... We can continue pretending Death is fascinating or... we can take the trouble to LIVE... THE NEW has no definition yet... Again, IT requires another "perception", the courage to apprehend everything differently, from a totally new angle, with new confidence and inquisitive touch. This blog is not about interesting concepts, it is about participation... finding new solutions, inspiration, togetherness.

8 Responses to Union with the Uncreated – healing from Thought and Separation

  1. TBS says:

    How can this be?
    I wonder.

    Is there a difference between lightning
    and thunder?

    What is the root of dualism?

    Who created this seemingly insurmountable schism?

    – – – – –

    — “Death is a consequence of being created.” — MKM

    — “We must get away from the idea that death is (G)od’s punishment.” — MKM


    — “I think this fits with scripture and tradition about the two ways: life and death. Both are always before us.” — MKM

    …more head scratching

    I’m wondering. What if there is no difference between (what we call) life and (what we call) death? What if there aren’t two ‘things’? Why don’t we say things like, “This day I set before you birth and life, chose birth.”?

    What if it’s not about consequence? Or not even about sequence? [The root of this word takes invented time as a given. I do not.]

    Seriously. I don’t want to morph this into a religious inquiry or discussion. But maybe somebody can help me here. Let’s posit a Creator. Heck, let’s posit THE Creator…and just for the sake of discussion, let’s call it-him-her (capital G) God (it seems like a lot of people do, so I’ll go with that).

    From just about everything I’ve EVER heard from the Creator-God People, there was “nothing”…then God spoke. As the direct result of this speaking, the world as we know it came into being. Here’s where I have a problem. If there was nothing, then God made ‘everything’, isn’t everything God? And if not, then from where did the stuff that is not-God come?

    — “Thought which is psychological Time which keeps us away from the Divine.” — JM

    I THINK I understand what you’re saying about thought here. And I think I concur . . . kind of.

    How can it be possible to be a part of an Incomprehensible Vastness of Being and be separated from it.

    And how is it that WE create anything? Don’t we just twist what already is?

    I don’t think it is possible to be kept away from the Divine.

    But maybe that’s what I get for thinking.

    Thanks. And please set me straight.

    • julienmatei says:

      Before I venture to give some kind of answer, I want to make it clear that I am not indulging in vapid and arbitrary speculation, even if what I am going to say may seem nonsensical.
      I am only interested in things which bring a real benefit, something with a DIRECT BEARING in real life. Something which sheds some light AS TO WHO WE TRULY ARE in a “meta-historical” perspective. I claim that only this kind of thorough “metaphysical” understanding as to the mechanics of Life, can free us from Illusion.
      What is the root of dualism?
      Who created this seemingly insurmountable schism?
      Let´s take it this way:
      Does anything as such ultimately exist? Is this world and our existence in it real?…
      What if Creation as we know it in this dimension never took place…- but eventually it´s some kind of will-o´-the-wisp that each of one secretly creates?
      Has God the Almighty ever created this world? The baffling answer is No.
      Love can not create its opposite. Love has never created duality, nor any schism.
      Why should it, after all…?
      Once, eons “ago”, as we were all part of the blissful One, one fearful thought occurred within God´s mind:
      “What if…?”
      What if it all could be `different´ ?
      This very thought triggered instantly the beginning of it all. Big Bang – the beginning of Separation. Of light and darkness. Fear and Love. In short – Duality.
      So a “difference” can exist only inside the idea of duality, quite obvious. If there was no duality, there wouldn´t be a definite “you” or “me”. There would be no sequence or consequence either. No Creator and not anything “created”.
      It´s funny, but there is only God, and what separates us from “him” or “her” IS IN ACTUAL FACT – A THOUGHT.
      A thought which we take for real and that we maintain in every second. An insane thought
      which dreams itself superior than the Creator, who competes and challenges Him, who believes it can create another “more real” REALITY than God´s…:)
      Can you see this clearly?…
      Look around you. What are people ultimately trying to achieve? A projection of this Initial Thought in every thinkable and unthinkable way:
      “I am someone special, I am creating myself, my future, a position – I compete, I struggle hard with anyone for what is “mine” – my family, my kids, my country. Mine, mine, mine.”
      This underlying Thought is pure insanity as it is not capable to outwit God, but in order to show its “supremacy” creates exactly what God is not: sickness, aggression, lack, war, disaster, calamities…- you name it.
      This Thought is the so-called Ego. It is Separation. Fear. Guilt. Punishment. Suffering.
      Now it´s easily understandable that Ego in its lunacy considers thus failure in all
      variations – sickness, loss, crime, suffering, calamity of all kinds -, as his greatest success.
      He tries hard to enact what God is not…
      Can it be so immensely simple and yet unfathomable?…YES. This is the whole deal.
      Now you understand that we are just one Thought away from True Life.
      But don´t underestimate this Thought…It kills you if you question its “supremacy”.
      It does everything to deny its agenda. This “thought” is what is called Satan.
      The Demiurge.
      Yet, the truth is that this Ego-thought is nothing but a Cosmic Fraud, an existential misconception, an impotent echo of what God is. It is a no one in the true scheme of eternity.
      This Thought of Separation has created Time, Distance, birth and death, “you” and “me”..
      In reality there has never been any cleavage, but everything is Joy, Love and
      Glory. Life in its mighty but bliss – the Light of all lights.
      If you manage to see through and let go of this Thought, – which must be said, is a frightening combat, consisting of unimaginable and uncanny trials – The Initial Light will shine in all its Splendor now.
      In that light and presence, nothing needs be done, as everything is “done”, because being It you are perfect and complete.

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  3. TBS says:

    Hmm…well…this does not seem nonsensical.

    If we can sit in reverential silence on one point made in your response, it would be this:

    “[T]he truth is that this Ego-thought is nothing but a Cosmic Fraud, an existential misconception, an impotent echo of what God is.”

    [ooooo…God’s Echo. Powerful though/title.]

    Another thing…

    Is “our world” real? I think this is a beautiful question/thought/observation. If one thinks of reality as totality, then I’d say no, our world is not real. If one considers our present perceived state as a ‘piece’ of the whole (perhaps, as you suggest, separated by the demiurgic work of an imagined Satan), then I’d say what we experience is real in a limited way.

    I’d like to hear more about that God-said-what-if-? thing. Interesting.

  4. Julien, I agree that thought can be a barrier to knowing God. That seems to be the basis for the Desert Tradition’s teaching to “guard your thoughts.” Wonder if we have overindulged in Descartes “I think therefore I am.” It puts us at the center. Contrast that with God, “I am that you may be” (from Beatrice Bruteau). We in some way have God’s being on loan. We exist derivative of God. Thus our truest identity in God not in what we think of ourselves or what others think of us, our successes or failures. Love not thinking is the ultimate creative act.

    TBS, creation from nothing (being careful not to turn nothing into something!) does suggest God in everything but I don’t see it as God is everything. So perhaps creation is the multiple manifestations of the One. It is the revelation of God but not God in essence. You raise a good question about the duality. I think duality exists when we are unwilling or unable to see/believe the One within the two. This is one of the challenges of Trinitarian doctrine (holding in tension the oneness of God and three distinct but not separate persons) and also I think a foundation of Islam. If we focus on the many we will see duality but where is the One in all that? Maybe in your example about lightning and thunder we are experiencing one essence in two forms. It is neither one nor two but both at the same time. So what? Julien, it seems to me pushes to have doctrine be relevant. If it can’t be practiced then we are just “indulging in vapid and arbitrary speculation.” So I wonder if this paradoxical one and the many sets up a structure or form for human life and relationships. Speaking from a Christian perspective then we are to model our lives on the inner life of the Trinity.

    I appreciate your questions, ideas, and searching. Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this conversation.

    Peace be with you,

    • TBS says:

      Julien. Thanks for directing me to this. I have some comments and questions for MKM…but I don’t want to commandeer your space here. [I have a reverential respect for this place. =] Shall I direct it to Mike through other channels, or shall we tussle here?

      • TBS says:

        I think I’ll let this steep in my meditation for a bit. Thanks. Fascinating to me.

    • julienmatei says:

      Thank you for your comment Michel!

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