Union with the Uncreated – healing from Thought and Separation

This is a very interesting dialogue between Michael. K. Marsh and me.

Michel:
We must get away from the idea that death is God’s punishment. Death is a consequence of being created. The created as opposed to the un-created has a beginning and an end.

The healing of this condition is union with the uncreated. We do not have life in and of ourselves. To turn away from the work of union with the divine/uncreated is sin. Thus the wages of sin is death.

I think this fits with scripture and tradition about the two ways: life and death. Both are always before us.

I think there is a fear of death in human beings. It is a driver in our lives, the choices we make, the priorities we establish. The problem is we often deal with that fear through substitute gratifications. We settle for relief rather than healing.

The degree to which we are afraid of death is also the degree to which we are afraid to truly live.

The paradox is that to live we must die. I think it is the Sufis who say, “Die before you die.” I think this is what Jesus was getting at when he said, “Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me.” It is the invitation to life, through union/thesis.

Living becomes an interior transformation which leaves us in the present moment. The present is the fullness of life, it is where the divine is located, it can become eternal. Too often we live in the past – “If only…,” regrets, wounds, resentment – or in a future we do not yet have. Both of those it seems to me are places of death.

God’s deepest longing is that we would live and live fully. St. Irenaeus said something like, “The glory of God is a many fully alive.”
I wonder sometimes if we have forgotten or confused what it is to be fully alive. I think there were be profound freedom in this – not autonomy to choose to do what every I want – but freedom to be, to be real, authentic, true – and in so doing to discover and know my own holiness and the original beauty of my creation. When we can see this in ourselves then we can see it in others.

Me:
I have to tell you that you have such a poignant and winsome way of writing. I feel the Silence, and the echo of your deep insights between your words.

There is both elegance but unsophisticated humbleness in your wording.

Yes, this is perfectly put:

Healing is Union with the Uncreated.

What is created is mostly under the supremacy of Fear. Hence, most people settle for relief, as, to reach Union you have to go through the hell of Separation, which means wrestling with Fear – an inhuman undertaking. Few – if any – have the courage to directly confront this daunting demon – as fear is a demon after all – take the battle, and not flee.

I love the way you put it:

“Too often we live in the past – `If only´…,”regrets, wounds, resentment – or in a future we do not yet have. Both of those it seems to me are places of death.”

Presence is well guarded by Fear.To come out alive from these places of Death requires great boldness and determination. To die before you die is the greatest challenge for anyone – that is, to give up the false ego. The ego is the outcome of Time, of Thought…indeed the “me” identity which is so treacherously opposed to God…- to who we really are…

I have these days won incredible battles. And these battles have taken place on these invisible levels – which are incredibly “real”. In fact, more real than the “real”. To give up the thought-made identity…I tell you… – it is not less than a heroic act of courage as I come to understand that Thought is the total antinomy of Life…Thought is the greatest barrier to know God, in fact, ultimately speaking, I see thinking as the worst disease invented by man, in order to defend himself from Life.

Thought, which is psychological Time, keeps us away from the Divine.

Thought can never be free. As long as we reinforce thinking, we choose thus to be unfree.

If we are to be real, authentic, true – and thus to discover and know our own holiness and the original beauty of creation, we have to give up “mine” – that is, the false “I-identity” which is built on thought! Thought is “my will” as radically opposed to the will of the Creator.

Thought breeds and perpetrates Separation. 

First when we are relieved from the curse of thinking, can we see the purity in ourselves as well as in others.

 

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Are we dying to live or living to die?

There is no solution unless we acknowledge the problem

T:
I believe the ‘offer’ made to us is more on the order of to-live-or-not-to-live than one of death avoidance. I think we have *learned* to ‘fear’ death, and that the only, real, natural solution is found in LIVING.

Humans seem to have a tendency to behave in ways that are contrary to the broader natural order. So there is nothing really ‘unnatural’ in that sense…about synthetics OR human behavior. I think that ‘anti-natural’ gets closer to what I am trying to express than ‘unnatural’.

Many parents in ‘developed’ societies nowadays have come to believe that their ‘job’ is done when their children reach majority ‘alive’ (as in not dead). But are those children really *alive*? Are the parents? Is the focus on death? Or life? It seems evident to me.

There is a big difference between (a) being aware of things that would interfere with living and (b) fearing death. Death is no less a transition in the Life Process than birth. Fearing ‘future’ death makes no more sense than fearing ‘past’ birth…or fearing every moment that we live. Thus I see fear as a perversion of awareness.

Are we dying to live or living to die?

Me:
The thought coming naturally to mind is:

Can we ever fully live unless we have learned to die now?

Is clinging to life living?

Is living according to any idea true living?

The perversion of awareness is actually OUR IDEA we hold about life. Whatever idea, stems ultimately from Fear. Thus Fear is the foundation of our unnatural or anti-natural “relation” to life.

Fear is consequently wrong relation to Life, cause fear exists only in relation to something.

The blatantly conspicuous reality is that everybody tries hardly to be someone. Instead of being alive they all try to be “special”. Being special is again, an inane wish to reinforce the idea – to live according to a thought.

They all “choose” to be, instead of simply being…that is, allowing the natural urge to unfold seamlessly inside and outside them. This demented hubris is man´s most dooming calamity:

“We are better and stronger than life. My resistance against anything living defines me. The more I fight and compete Life – the natural – the stronger I am.”

Such huge misconception lies at the base of our way of living.

And so the consequence is all this mad and senseless unfolding and escaping in the wrong thing: everybody is in the wrong place at the wrong time, pursuing the wrong activity, being constantly in the wrong context.

They usually marry the wrong person, they´re stuck in the wrong jobs, have the wrong friends…the list of wrongness is interminable. That is quite evident: the ones who are not supposed to be there, prevent the ones who are supposed to be where they belong. 

To answer you question:

How can these insane people breed any sane and wholesome kids…?
Of course they can´t. How can the children be alive, when the parents
are diseased?…

This utterly defective life-style leads inevitably to misfortune, suffering and madness, and hence at some point, as a way out of this, man escapes his furious insanity through conflict and irrational violence, ultimately creating war…- war meaning, everybody fighting against his own misconceptions…man fighting against his and others´ false ideas.

So yes, that´s the key question:

Are we dying to live, or living to die?

With other words, are we going to stubbornly stick to these our obsolete and death-bringing Ideas and destroy the whole planet, or do we have now the awareness of the prompting necessity to renounce and let go of this calamitous hubris?

Changing your inner landscape for a new life to emerge

It is not about changing your life but about changing your inner landscape so that a new life can emerge. Make peace with where you are RIGHT NOW, no judgment, and allow some more ease and spaciousness to come in, to relieve you emotionally. So much of your energy is caught up in struggle right now.

– Marla Estes

Who makes the rules of ‘normalcy?

The very idea that there is a template for ‘normal’ is what is ‘insane.’ And this inherent way of suppose-to-be is the great killer of the human spirit. “The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same form of mental pathology does not make these people sane.”

– Erich Fromm

The ego is just a program that’s playing in your head

Some days ago I had this weird thought of referring to myself – to this
Julien Matei – in the third person.
I thought I was totally going berserk fo a little while, entertaining this idea.

And so later on I bumped into her words. So reassuring, it showed I was not so crazy
after all.
She writes:

“I think that observing the ego in the third person will help me not take its antics so personally.

Sure, it might get crazy thinking of myself in the third person and translating what this
means for the decision-making mind.

But living in the ego is insanity already, right? From the observing mind I can see the ego as unreal and impersonal and let it go. The ego is just a program that’s playing in my head, and I do not have to interact!!

I can only see myself as perfect if I see myself as not the ego..

`Only reality is free of pain. Only reality is free of loss. Only reality is wholly safe. And it is only this we seek today.´

Which means that anything that doesn’t fit within those parameters isn’t real. So why should I look upon the body and the world as though they are real, as though they are really “me”? There is only mind, and I want my mind to belong to Oneness.”

Indeed, as for me, when my ego is absent, I feel the overwhelmingly soothing truth of these words in the space between two thoughts…It is there…- as sudden glimpses…And right away the ego swoops on me,
making me believe that it was no more than the figment of my imagination.

Yet, deep inside I feel that this joyous Presence – who is the real “me” – is steadily there second by second, unaffected by none of the ego´s foolish whims.

Such solace to know that…

http://thesanecurriculum.com

A wannabe orangutan from the jungle of New York

He commented some of my posts earlier on. As far I could sense, he is a a very gifted and astute youngster. Impulsive and unpredictable. He presents himself as a philosopher, a writer, and a musician. His own description in his About section – he is very fond of it – drew my attention from the very start:
“I am a wannabe orangutan from the concrete jungle.”

I had a word with him on Facebook, and guess what:
He is currently working in a zoo in Bronx. Perfect serendipity – the man from the jungle found his forthcoming motivation. At least for now…

David:
The gift of nature is absolute freedom of self-embodiment. All life forms in the natural order are exactly what they are – they are limited only by their own innate characteristics. Humanity, the great dissenter, is distinguished by its unrelenting desire for a further freedom: the freedom to be other than what we are. Perhaps humanity’s innovation is that somehow we arrived at a state of discontentment with our natural identity, the body, with its particular strengths and limitations.

Me:
Our discontentment regards rather our failure to discover our true and natural identity. Hence, the yearning for the freedom to be other than we are, can cost us our very existence, isn´t it so?…

David:
True, but I believe that for much of humanity’s history (at least
200.000 years, but some argue this goes back much, much further) our species lived in harmonious equilibrium with itself and with nature. Then, at some point, maybe about 10.000 years ago, something happened and a gradual process of alienation began. Unless of course we were flawed from the start, doomed to destroy the world. That is a conclusion I would avoid, if possible.

Bliss is never the outcome of an ideal

Gabriela:
Indeed, we have created the ideal. But now it all depends on what Ideal means to each human being. I saw ideal as a goal, as a worthwhile higher aim to strive for. This however, does not deny each and everyone´s need for more.

Me:

Truth can never be an “ideal”, that is, it can never be “relativized” – though this is what we assume all the time: “it depends on what Ideal means to each human being”.

With other words, you claim that everyone is free and has the right to imagine anything.

Escaping Life, is manifested in myriad forms and expressions, but escaping – that is,
fear – remains one and the same for all.

I am not necessarily pointing here to factual reality – man needs food, shelter, etc. – but to the psychological state of things.
This inner need “for more” is ideal – can you lucidly see this?

The yearning for “more” – that is to acquire, to accumulate knowledge or money, to be someone, to have a name, to be or not to be something – implies escaping What is. This obsessive search for safety, which itself is generated by fear, is desire seeking fulfillment. Craving for “more” is Ego in its eternal discontent.

“More” is the derivative of dissatisfaction, isn´t it quite clear?

Just ponder:

You must for sure have had moments of great fulfillment, moments in which “more”
or “less” was superfluous. You weren´t searching anymore, as you were deeply satisfied.

You were Blissful in those moments of deep contentment. For sure, Bliss is Presence, presence which is a mighty Joy, an unwavering Peace.

This presence does not belong to becoming, projection or future. Becoming and achieving in time is subterfuge, it is escaping into our own image, never the truth – the Bliss – we are talking about.