The dialogue about Depression goes on

Truthseeker247:
I think I understand, as this is what Krishnamurti says…the knower and the known are inseparable. Also, this is the way I used to think many years ago, and do not hold the same views now. But anyway, why was this thought about “needing to know” occurring in the first place? What motivated this idea? Conditioning I suppose?

So why are we seemingly dissatisfied with “what is?” Meaning, why do we create all of this complexities and problems by fragmenting “what is?” What do you think about that?

Thank you for such a well posed and thoughtful response! I look forward to your next one.

My answer:

Paul,

Look! Thinking is not understanding. So either you “think”, or you understand.

What I stress here is whether or not we see the urgency of our predicament.

When hungry, we eat. It is not a method, a “know-how” to pick up the food
so to say – you simply eat cause you are hungry.

The same applies to whether we are motivated or not to look into the nature of Depression, TAKING A REAL STEP TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING and eventually “get free” from it.

Understanding means lucidity, that is, unreservedly and directly confronting and dealing with the problem; only this immediate lucidity brings the fruitful action which brings about “a healthy change”.

Immediacy means Attention now. Alertness.

If you face a literal danger, YOU REACT IN THE MOMENT WITH NO FURTHER THINKING.

Consequently, if we “think” of a problem, it means that we don´t see the impending danger inherent in it. We don´t take it seriously with other words – cause only Attention and Action Now counts.

Most people intellectualize their problems, without being really interested to deal with them.

We can fall into the same trap after all, indulging here in intelligent discussions that will bring no real benefit, or we can seriously consider the problem.

So basically, we need to directly confront this thing called conditioning! To delve into it. Here and now.

This “needing to know”, is required in order to identify the problem, but this very urge “to know” can also mean AVOIDING THE PROBLEM – avoiding to take clear action.

Where there is inner conflict, there is fragmentation.

We live in complexity as we refuse to assume Simplicity – that is, looking dispassionately at the very nature of Ego.

Ego is the Problem, as ego is intrinsically a sum of conflicts.

And only when Ego is seen for what it is – conflict and fragmentation – then and only then we have a chance to get a glimpse of the whole picture.

“The whole picture” means clear vision – to see through and beyond ego. Only this realization will heal us from depression.

https://julienmatei.com/2013/02/19/depression-is-ultimately-absence-of-life/

https://julienmatei.com/2013/02/24/what-is-depression-ultimately/

My answer to Jane about “Meaning”

So…what is it that makes you feel MEANING?

Only when you live your personal meaning, are you able to see your fellow-man, to come near other people, instead of feeling threatened, creating a wall between you and them.

So again:

What is your meaning?…And having said this, WHO ARE YOU?

JANE SAYS:

“Does having meaning in one’s life make one feel secure? Is having meaning a psychological wish to be something or other? Doesn’t our beliefs about who we are and what we do weigh us down? How can we be free of our acquisitions of the mind?”

MY ANSWER:

“It is a good point you make.

“Meaning” has nothing to do with any kind of wish to realize or fulfill something.

Meaning in its most pristine form, is instant contact with Life and life-purpose THROUGH FEELING in the here and now. Feeling in this context would be “ineffable immediacy”.
You can´t possess something which cannot be possessed. Instead, you can be so open, so that intimate dialogue between you and life takes place like a delightful whisper. Like an innocent child´s play.

Out of the blue, it´s there, that blessed contact. It says something at first I don´t understand, somehow it has me express that particular joy in whatever means I have for the moment: writing, composing, talking to someone or God knows what…

It is such freedom and joy in this unspeakable communion so it can never be any question of “belief” here, something to weigh me down, oh no. It is some kind of “imponderable perception”. Out of this freedom I couldn´t ever impose something on anyone.

Meaning means readiness to feel, listen and act without attachment.”